He leaned over slightly, the smaller boy still trapped between Zoro's legs, and he sighed out in relief. pirate king or WSS. Welcome to r/OnePiece, the community for Eiichiro Oda's manga and anime series One Piece. imo, pirate king obviously. Directed by Kônosuke Uda. Sanji and Luffy have both mastered these to the point where its a completely natural part of their everyday combat arsenal. Next Zoro defeats Hody the big villain of the arc and even defeats him at a disadvantage. So we get situations where people debate who had the stronger opponent Pica and vergo, Absalom and Ryuma when there's no concrete evidence saying Zoro would have an easier or harder time with any of Sanji's opponents. Zoro himself would never follow someone who's not stronger than him. What made the fights interesting were the powers of those SC. ... Apoo did drop luffy and had Zoro try to run off with him. Zoro defeats Hody underwater In fact the only reason Hody manages to keep going is by taking more steroids fed to him by his subordinate. With Fujitora it's a bit more complicated, but you have to remember that when Zoro attacked Fujitora he wasn't really expecting the attack, meanwhile Luffy was shouting his every move at the top of his lungs and Fujitora was more serious about the fight in general. You seeing coming into the time skip we saw that Sanji and Luffy have both incorporated their enies lobby power ups into their base abilities. Luffy has in fact pulled away more thanks to WCI. If Zoro is losing out physically (emphasis on physically) against any Commander at any point, even if he grows to defeat them during the fight, it likely means he wasn't as strong as Boundman at this point in time, so that's something to watch for. I should be adressing all of this in a later post. In today’s list, I will be talking about the top reason why Monkey D. Luffy is dying, what has shortened his life so much and what is going to happen to him.. 1. That alone is a pretty decent gulf in top end power. Strength means nothing in new world. Anonymous. After Luffy is already passed out the entire crew is put down by Kuma. I think Zoro is loyal to Luffy for a couple reasons, Luffy saved him from being executed. "Because I'm amazing that's how!" And again only Luffy is comparable because he defeated Doflamingo. So Gear 4’s strenght is more than enough for Yonko Commanders, it’s the versality and the external powers of the fighters that make them Yonko Commander lvl. Zoro had just walked past Kuro before stopping. Enma was never a direct power up and certainly not large one like gear 4th being the same grade as Shisui that could never be the case. And the moment Zoro faced Doflamingo and was ready to attack him, Oda brought Fujitora a guy who hate Warlord more than anything to stop Zoro. Luffy: Are you okay? In Kuri, Zoro is going to Flower Capital and wondering am I close? Long and blow harded sure but here we are, the truth. Fuji was more prepared for Luffy and didn't expect much from Zoro. People have been trying to slander Zoro after chapter 1001. The only person Zoro has to compare himself too in their is none other than Sanji. Top 5 easy. The King Kong Gun is aptly named, because it's an absolute devastation of an attack. Actually going back to that fight for a large part Zoro had Mr1 beat in every category except he was unable to do damage. 2. Zoro has finally seen a big of struggle in battle as he comes up against his contemporaries in the worst generation but we have yet to see Zoro be pushed to the point where he must go beyond his limits, and finally the return of Ashura. "I did!!!" The most recent point of comparision are Vergo and Pica, where an injured Sanji fought on par with Vergo and Zoro got stalemated hard by Pica until he got distracted and Zoro was able to take advantage of that thanks to Orlumbrus (and I know you said that we can't directly compare them, but Vergo being Doffy's most trusted subordinate he should be at least at the same level as Pica). Luffy right now is definitely stronger than Zoro... but its not because of gear 4th. At the end of the story the gap between them won’t be big. one piece manga opgraphics opedits roronoa zoro smoker one piece reread. Even in their delusion. The problem with Monet is we all know she wasnt even the strongest antagonist there that honor goes to Vergo unfortunately Monet falls victim to Zoro being too strong. Because that time in Amazon Lily, Luffy realized that if his brother is dead he still have his crew. Later, Luffy wakes up to take a piss, to find all the people who fed and entertained him and his Crew slaughtered and dying. So if i'm getting the gist of this post correctly, your argument is that the similarity in which they crushed common New World opponents means that they're just as strong compared to each other pre-timeskip, and then the only reason Luffy has pulled ahead is WCI: despite 2 years the dynamic hasn't changed Luffy and Zoro are equals. And for those that are saying oh but the captain is always stronger please note that hyou wasnt even member of Hodys pirates he was a hire job and he actually had a better showing against Luffy than Hody who got absolutely smoked by Zoro. I'd agree even. If you want discussion, please sort the subreddit by New. also, why wouldn't Luffy and Zoro team just blitz them right off the bat, unless I'm underestimating fairy tail speed Luffy alone should be able to blitz both of them. Yami no Luffy. Zoro asked no one in particular, a blush of embarrassment rising over his face. “Lu-ahhh-ffy how did you~ohhhh learn all this?” he was trembling. I believe it was simply that Kuma knew that those Shichibukai could help Luffy and Zoro in the long run. Zoro. 3. You know why? Luffy inflicting the scar on his face. And it’s not even the end, Oda gave to Zoro “Enma” the sword of Oden who wounded Kaido and decided to make Enma a cursed sword when Oda didn’t want to wank Ame which also cut Kaido, why is that? Why I think Mihawk cut Zoro's eye. Luffy wanted only the best swordsmen in the world to join his crew, and that's exactly what Zoro has wanted to be since he was a child. But Zoro has shown signs of busoshoku haki when cutting down perona's hollow which can't even be touched or is it just asura that grants him the ability to cut through anything. sabo, monkeydluffy, luffy. In Zoro’s novel, people are already comparing his feat to a Yonko and a World’s Strongest Swordsman themselves. He wouldn’t be able to beat them alone, meanwhile Luffy did beat Lucci. It is stated that a normal swordsman would be drained to a dry husk immediately when trying to use the sword, and when Zoro first does so, he cuts a large cliff section off its base despite trying to cut a tree. His blindness is his ironically his comedic aspect but when it comes to combat hes still an admiral. It covers the weaknesses of a swordsman and boosts their striking power, a perfect suit for Zoro. Even in portrayal, their rivalry started as a sort of parallel to Dori and Brogi, Zoro had a harder time against Mr.1 than Sanji had with Mr.2, Kaku and Jabra were basically equals, and in general they're always shown side by side when they're covering Luffy's back. During this arc, Luffy and a hypnotized Zoro end up fighting, which how he ends up getting an "x" scar across his chest — from a wound inflicted by Zoro. Took him a while, but once he did, he was fine. A rivalry like theirs can only exist if both rivals are extremely close to each other. At the same time, the blade forced hardening on his whole arm and emaciated it. For all intents and purposes, it has been how Zoro's gotten stronger, the same way the Raid Suit has been Sanji's reluctant avenue to more power. 1 Short Summary 2 Long Summary 3 Characters in Order of Appearance 4 Anime Notes 5 Site Navigation Zoro tries to fight for Luffy since he lies helplessly on the ground. He didn’t beat Yonko Commanders but he faced 3 Supernovas, an Admiral and Oda gave him a special treatment such as beating the strongest swordsfishman, cutting a mountain size golem and defeating a logia without even touching her.We can clearly understand that Oda didn’t make any mistake until now with Zoro’s strenght. Kuma healed Luffy, meaning that wasn't truly all of Luffy's pain and fatigue. [OP QUIZ] Can you recognize all these female characters? With gear 4th Luffy goes from being too weak to do damage and too slow to keep up with Doffy to basically dominating him across the board. Just remember there was a reason Oda told us Doriki of CP9, which was below: When you say luffy and zoro were always equal, i am not even sure if we are reading the same manga. What I DON'T agree with, is the suggestion that Asura would be able to match King Kong Gun. Now while those opponents were all decisively weaker than both of them, what this can be taken to mean to me is Zoro is comparable to non Gear 4 Luffy (stronger imo) which IS pretty much what you said, and your argument then solely rests on whatever Zoro's top end technique is making up for not one, but two massive gulfs in power, which imo, is a bit unrealistic. However what is most notable in these clashes going back to powerscaling is that Fuji was pushed back by Zoro in a disadvantageous position while luffys Haki-d up gear 3 punch barely achieves the same result. Fuji: Wasn't Luffy also yelling his attacks? [OP QUIZ] Can you name the Pirate Crew by their Jolly Roger? That was an amazing feat because only few people are capable to do that only with their raw strenght. In Act II: → He meets Yasu and the rest of Ebisu town. Zoro was forced to withstand a safe amount of some of Luffy's pain and fatigue. Through Zoro's efforts, Kuma offers a deal to him. Oda could have ended this fight as he did with King vs Sanji but no, he made Zoro to counter Fujitora’s gravity while Zoro was suffering by the gravity and pushed Fujitora few meters back. He could feel his face going pale by the second; did his sword just cut Luffy's…? After this fight which many would see as extremely difficult gor Zoro he continues to run around even carrying Nami. Was it a one off technique or is it his ultimate trump card we can only wait to find out but I believe its safe to say that if he doesn't bring it out now then we will never see it again. Zoro's bounty is just barely higher than luffy's pre-time skip and I think Zoro now would easily man handle Luffy pre-time skip. One of them mutters something about Zoro being the cause of this, which enrages Luffy. Zoro fanboys should learn from this post, he is backing his opinion with sources and explains it in a reasonable way. I shouldnt need to elaborate further. Zoro and Sanji ARE portrayed as equals. Zoro's Oni Giri did comparable to damage to G4 Kong Gun Ryuo. His ass lubed and stretched with expert skill. hehe. However, since we're not supposed to know that, Luffy's dialogue and actions, like him calling Hyouzou strong, lean into the idea of us not knowing Gear 4 even exists yet. So Fujitora came and used his power against a non-intel Zoro, he send Zoro under the ground. Luffy's always been above his crew and that's a fact. "How did I manage to let myself get roped in by someone like you?" For arguments sake let’s say Zoro does Conquerors Haki. Both of these fishmen go on take enough steroids for both of their hair to turn completely white. What they were though, is close enough that it would always be a good fight, which we frankly don't see a whole lot in side fights. This was actually pretty fun to read and go through! On the chapter 687, Tashigi said that Zoro wasn't able to fight with women but he showed he can. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER..... i don't understand why some people think zoro is stronger than luffy , luffy is the captain , it would defeat the whole purpose of him being the captain , who has ever heard of a second in command being stronger than a first in command , i want to point out that zoro's dream is to surpass mihawk and luffys dream is to be the … Zoro started walking u the hill, Usopp over his shoulder. Theory spoiler. Ashura has become his greatest trump card. RORONOA ZORO why did you save me?. Does anyone know in which episode Zoro cuts a bottle that Luffy has his finger stuck in with an axe? → Zoro meets back with Luffy. Twice within dressrosa Zoro clashes with Fuji , the first time it was Fujitora defending Doflamingo from Zoro's attack Darn u Fuji preventing us from seeing and overlap of opponents between Sanji and zoro for the first time ever. Even in their delusion. That is why power scaling is irrelevant now. "Yeah but-" Nami starts only to get cut off by Zoro, "Like she said Nami, they aren't too trusting, it was obvious when younger Ace tried to get Luffy of his back when running through the forest" Zoro continues, "who knows what they lived through, but expecting them to suddenly trust someone, especially if it's Luffy, an annoying brat, is a lot to ask for" They are the future Pirate King and World’s Strongest Swordsman, so it’s understandable for them to be front of two powerhouses. So at this point Zoro is playing catchup but there's still hope. Imo what Zoro's powerup from Enma has done, as well as Sanji's Raid Suit, is draw them back to where things where before relatively, since Luffy has pretty much gotten all of the action and Haki upgrades. 2." Gomu Gomu no mi (Rubber Rubber fruit) is Luffy's signature fruit. Because Oda wanted Zoro to have at least one sword from Oden and decided to make that, special. The strongest swordsman in the world and the pirate king are gonna be the two strongest individuals. OOOOOO, Zoro really shows his dedication to luffy on episode 377. you'll see what i mean when you get there. Is this a sign that Zoro is stronger that Luffy? But why didn't he defeat Monet at once and was only defending himself and the crew? I know you hate Zoro but don’t skip every one of his scenes But there is someone who Zoro often interacts with their opponent, that is Luffy. Iits like saying Luffy is trash and cheap because he ate an akuma no mi LOL, the RS is not a cheap trick either. You said Zoro is supposed to have the best CoA in the history of One Piece... but Luffy learned a form far more advance on the matter of a WEEK. Also important to remember is, once we come out of the timeskip, Luffy was always that strong. “Yes!” Luffy began to move, and Zoro let out a soundless cry. Where is the suspense? According to the One Piece site “the hand of Pica was the size of city in Dressrosa » so Golem Pica’s was the size of many cities. Posted by 1 year ago. Lucci was stronger than Kaku and Jyabura combined. What follows is the most dominating feat we've seen from zoro so far traumatizing monet to the point where she couldn't reform her body. headaches Turns out they didn't get more than a headache. But by suggesting it can, you not only have it making up for the gulf between Gears 2,3 and Gear 4 (which you've admitted is massive) but then you also have it making up for the massive difference between the KKG and the other Gear 4 attacks. For more information please refer to the documentation. Press J to jump to the feed. Whereas you have users like u/cameformystrawhat saying shit like Zoro has some unique haki and he has advanced armament haki because of Enma and the rest of us are stupid for not seeing it. His toes curled, and Luffy held him tight. Oda choose him and not even Luffy, he fought Hawkins and if the tiger didn’t came, he would have probably win because he cut one of the strongest card of Hawkins without taking any serious damages after that. Finally the last comparison we have is Fujitora. [OP QUIZ] How Well Do You Know Roronoa Zoro? Reply. Zoro manages to bend his body and swing the swords in the form of an inverted "S" shape while performing a vertical spin, slashing the opponent six times simultaneously so fast that he did not seem to move at all. Here is a picture showing the scene: But again the Gear 4 was not useless against them because Luffy defeated them when he successfully touched them. They can both train and maximize them even further too, which is great. I can understand suggesting Asura has enough power to match the gulf between Gears 2&3 and Gear 4. These arguments don't usually mention that Luffy was always capable of Gear 4 post-timeskip, which changes a lot in hindsight. It is a seal to Zoro’s power but it is also the key to a new attack. A rivalry like theirs can only exist if both rivals are extremely close to each other. Fujitora was also a lot more prepared then, and his dialogue re Zoro suggests that he didn't even expect Zoro to be able to throw a flying slash. After that, Zoro faced Pica but again Pica was too weak for him, that’s why Oda gave to Pica a formidable Devil Fruit “Ishi Ishi no Mi”, the power to be one with any stone. The real reason Luffy is stronger than Zoro is his experiences on whole cake Island. So where does this scar come into effect? It was finally during an overpowered and surprising attack that he took his captain by surprise. He could not. There was a mysterious power that protected his captain, definitely. This is clear example of Zoro's raw power even with 1 sword he is able to push back an admiral. The gap only widened after Alabasta even, once we started adding the Gears to the mix. So think of those same fights that Zoro and Luffy shared opponents with, but instead, imagine Gear 4 Luffy. We'll assume you're ok with this, but you can opt-out if you wish. In Act I: → Zoro meets back with Luffy. Scratches appeared on Luffy's shoulder and Aya's cheek. Even though it was a cheap shot, he cut through Apoo's haki covered weapon, so he obviously could've done it without the cheapshot. The second is the time skip itself where there is drastic difference in the calibur of their respective teachers as a matter if fact invakov doesn't actually train Sanji he instead grows through running and acquiring the combat recipies. So how exactly can Zoro remain equals with luffy when gear 4 exists. It's not gonna kill you. 1,075 notes Kuma is a very good actor and that's exactly why he is a double secret agent for the revolutionaries. luffy will always be stronger than zoro no matter what, that doesnt take anything away from zoro. So, he got a wasp when he expected an ant, basically. From the East Blue to the New World, anything related to the world of One Piece belongs here! "Go, Zoro… There's a lot of other things I want to address like Pica and Vergo but I will get to them another time. Am I right?! first of all rubber is weak against sword, if zoro can cut steel, why cant he cut rubber? Where did Luffy get his X scar? 38. Psychologically destroyed her while still keeping his unsaid oath to not hurt women. But the fact remains that Luffy has always been above his crew and that's never changing. So that means Zoro was already around Yonko Commander 1 lvl since the post time-skip. Moreover, he says that in the future they can’t trust a guy who leaves the crew on a whim, such as Usopp. Maybe if Asura turns out to be a form he can hold post-timeskip and he can then combine it with something like Three Thousand Worlds, then I can see myself reconsidering somewhat. Often when power scaling discussions come up surrounding Zoro its often Zoro vs Sanji. That would mean Zoro's most powerful attack has basic Gear 4 capabilities, which is honestly a pretty reasonable thing to say. When Zoro was fighting both, he didn’t land a hit on them. But I hope I at least got my point across. It doesn’t make sense unless Oda made that on purpose because he didn’t want a Zoro vs Doflamingo. Who gave you permission to pass this hill?" But lets also be real, he dosent put that much effort in being strong compared to how much Zoro and Luffy did in their training, specialy since his attention was diverted into cooking as well as getting stronger, even in his childhood he was learning more to cook than to fight. So that means, Zoro’s feat is comparable to top tier feats. Luffys clash lasts a little longer Luffy attacks Fuji He declares if must be pirate King he must defeat all of the admirals and the yonko. Basically the yeti cool brothers were such a non threat that Zoro and Sanji didnt even perceive there was an attack now that's a meme. bruh, oda gave us the weakling trio for a reason. Secondly doriki is terrible power system it quite literally only measures physical strength Jabura even comments he would have more if he were transformed. But that couldnt be further from the truth. Luffy (and Jinbei at the moment) are above them and the rest of the crew are below them. With the morning the two carried on their celebration. There's definitely a lot more like Luffy and Zoro's side by side protrayal vs other supernovas in Wano not to mention the notable absence of bandanna Zoro recently ( tho trust me I get that its not a powerup). Both of these guys were of course no match for Luffy and Zoro but the parallels are obvious why would Oda go through the trouble of having these characters interact with both our main boys if not to show that despite 2 years the dynamic hasn't changed Luffy and Zoro are equals. Oda could have made Zoro struggling and having extreme diff fights against any of his opponents or even loosing but no, Zoro didn’t face any loss this entire time because someone who trained everyday during two years with a top tier won’t be take out easily. After time skip, every strong warrior have haki and honing haki is the only way to survive. → Zoro then gets lost. Hold up. There is 0 logic in that. But the series creator explained why Luffy won long ago: because he shouts. LolonoisZolo. Furthermore as clearly seen in this next panel zoro went to sleep essentially after a long night of drinking XD Defeat? "Luffy beat her up, then she started talking about 'finally being punished', gave a kid a tip for life about it and then got aggressive when Sanji wanted to help her up, so I think it went well," Zoro replied and sipped his beer. Zoro later clashes with Fuji again when he blocks Luffy and Zoros Path. Also, to play Devil's Advocate for a second, he used haki really quickly when he cut Monet's face just to flex on her a little bit. 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